INSUBCONTINENT EXCLUSIVE:
Ben Horowitz, the co-founder of the venture firm Andreessen Horowitz, has a new book coming out this coming Monday titled &What You Do is
Who You Are,& that takes a look at how to create &culture& at a company.
It a word that thrown around a lot but that very hard to grasp, let
alone implement in a sustainable way
Horowitz learned firsthand as a CEO how elusive it can be when he took stock of his company, only to discover it was made up of &screamers
who intimidated their people,& others who &neglected to give any feedback,& and at least one compulsive liar who excelled at sucking up to
Horowitz and also making up stories from whole cloth.
Horowitz says creating culture was a missing part of his education, and in this new
book — a follow-up to his best-selling &The Hard Thing About Hard Things& — he does his best to fill that gap for other CEOs, using his
own experience, as well as lessons gleaned from historical figures Toussaint Louverture and Genghis Khan, along with Shaka Senghor, a
contemporary who served time for murder and today is a criminal justice reform advocate.
It an instructive and novel combination, and we
suggest picking up the book, especially if you love history
In the meantime, we sat down recently with Horowitz to talk about its timing and whether some of the biggest cultural blow-ups in the
startup industry — Uber and WeWork — could have been avoided
These excerpts have been edited for length and clarity
Note that we&ll have more of the conversation — including Horowitz thoughts about dual-class shares — for readers of Extra Crunch on
Monday.
TC: You&ve just written a book about culture that coming out just as a lot of questions are being raised about culture because of
What happened there?
BH: [Cofounder Adam Neumann] had a certain kind of culture there
He had some holes — some great strengths and great holes
And sometimes that happens
When you&re really good at part of it, you can delude yourself into thinking that you&ve got everything you need when you have some massive
incompleteness.
Adam is so amazing
Like, the way they got all the money and everything
And the vision was so spectacular
And everybody there believed it, and they recruited some phenomenal talent
But when you&re that optimistic, it does help to have something in the culture that says [allows] people to bring you the bad news, like, if
the accounting is all over the place or what have you.
TC: As with Uber Travis Kalanick, whose culture also came under fire, Neumann
operated in very plain sight
He wasn&t hiding who he was or what he was spending.
BH: Right, everybody knew how Travis was running the company
Everyone in Silicon Valley knew, let alone everyone on the board
The culture was published
You can look up Uber values [from that period].
Travis designed, I think, a really compelling culture, and believed in it, and published it
And the consequences of what he was missing were also super well-known
It only when board members think people are coming after them that [they take an interest in these things].
TC: What are the biggest lessons
in these two cases?
BH: I obviously know more about Uber [as a Lyft investor who follows the space]
In Uber case, it a very subtle thing
Travis had a really good code
But he had a bug in it.
I think it was reported that, like, Travis encouraged bad behavior
I don&t think he did at all
I just think he didn&t make it clear that legal and ethical [considerations] were more important than competitiveness
As a result, when left to their own devices, in a distributed organization where there was a lot of distributed power, that combination had
people doing things that were out of bounds.
And he was making everybody so much money
And the company was growing so fast that, for the board members, I suspect they were like, ‘As long as it making money, I&m not going to
worry about what happens next.&
To me, the unfair part is, like, they shouldn&t get any credit at the end
Whatever you&re blaming Travis for [you should blame them, too] because they didn&t see it, either
I think that a charitable way of putting it.
The reason I wanted to go through [how to create business culture] in the book is so if you&re
a new CEO, you can see, look, this thing looks like a small thing, but it going to become a big thing
Ethics are a bit like security issues
They&re not a problem at all until they&re a problem
Then they&re existential.
TC: Why was this issue on your mind?
BH: A few things
First, it was the thing that I had the most difficult time with as a CEO
People would say, ‘Ben, pay attention to culture, it really is the key.& But when you were like, ‘Okay, great, how do i do that?& it was
like, ‘Um, maybe you should have a meeting about it.& Nobody could convey: what it was, how you dealt with it, how you designed it
So I felt like I was missing a piece of my own education.
Also, when I look at the work I do now, it the most important thing
What I say to people at the firm is that nobody 10 or 20 or 30 years from now is going to remember what deals we&ve won or lost or what the
returns were on this or that
You&re going to remember what it felt like to work here and to do business with us and what kind of imprint we put on the world
We can&t have any drift from that
And I think that true for every company.
On top of that, the companies in Silicon Valley have grown so fast and become so powerful that
they&re getting a lot of criticism about their culture now, which, some of it is fair enough
But the proposed solutions are wacky
so it kind of felt like somebody had to make a positive contribution and not just a critique about, like, okay, here what you ought to
do.
TC: These fast-growing companies are also distributed, as you noted with Uber, but I don&t think you talk about remote workforces in
Do you have thoughts about establishing a culture where individuals are scattered here and there?
BH: I didn&t talk about remote workforces
and that one is interesting because it evolving because the tool sets are changing
It used to be nearly impossible for an engineering organization to be distributed and to be effective, because the information flow wasn&t
good enough and the build systems weren&t good enough
And so for years, Microsoft would only buy companies that they could move to Redmond.
Lately, due to things like Slack and Tandem, people
are getting better results with it
And I think a lot of the cultural techniques intersect with the tools quite a bit
But then you have to set the culture through electronic media more than you would walking around, catching somebody doing thing in a
meeting.
We just did a thing on email the other day
We have this cultural value, which is: we don&t like to criticize entrepreneurs
I don&t care if we think your idea is stupid or whatever
You&re trying to create something from nothing
You&re trying to chase your dream
So if you get on Twitter and do what Bill Gurley does and say, ‘That company is a stupid piece of shit
It&ll never made a $1 and blah blah blah,& like, you get fired for that
[Similarly] on our podcast, we have a news segment and I didn&t want us to do a story on ‘WeWork, the cautionary tale.& That not us
And it a cultural statement
There are a million people who are going to write that story; we were like, let them write that story.
So you don&t have to be in person to
